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Subject: TML Bundle #176: Table of Contents

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2211  03-Mar-91 mcknight@tusun2.m V-Net Info << [Here's some information Chuck 
2212  11-Mar-91 METLAY@vms.cis.pi The big, Big, BIG picture << Just for grins, 
2213  10-Mar-91 Mark F. Cook      Say "Good-bye" to TDR SIGs << After a fair am
2214  11-Mar-91 Adrian Hurt       Wanted: Striker, MegaTraveller << I have rece
2215  11-Mar-91 Mark Humphreys    mailing list << Hi there, I'm not sure if I'm
2216  12-Mar-91 Mark F. Cook      Assorted Ramblings << In subject 2212, METLAY
2217  12-Mar-91 Leonard Erickson  Sector list << I'd love to have that list. I 
2218  12-Mar-91 George William He TDR RIP? TDR Forever! 8-) << As Mark Cook poi
2219  13-Mar-91 teets@frith.egr.m Old Gaming Stuff.... << Well, another suggest
2220  13-Mar-91 bonnevil@acc.stol Re: The Big BIG Picture.... << Yes, it would 
2221  13-Mar-91 rem@oz.plymouth.e Kinorb^2?, deckplans, elm burster... << Hi al

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Archive-Message-Number: 2211
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 91 10:55:32 CST
From: mcknight@tusun2.mcs.utulsa.edu (Chuck McKnight - Law)
Subject: V-Net Info

[Here's some information Chuck McKnight provided, for those of you
active in local BBSing, Fidonet, WWIVnet and that stuff.  It's a
telephone listing of everyone carrying VervanNet, a USENET-like network
of bulletin boards.  Of course, there's a Traveller-playing group on
this net.  On a quick visual inspection I recognize fields like
location, site administrator name, telephone, and baud rate -- the rest
is apparently grokable by VervanNet gurus :-) -- James]

James,

Attached is a nodelist for the VervanNet Gaming Network.  This is a Fidonet
Technology (more or less) network dedicated to RPGs.  There are several
PBEM games in progress now, as well as discussion areas for various games,
and other topics such as game design.  I've forwarded it to most of the 
people who responded via email, but a lot of those bounced.  If you think
it appropriate to post this in the TML, please do so.

Thanks.

Chuck McKnight

- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
;A Vnetlist nodelist. Created for day number 027 : 57481
;A             ==================================================
;A             Copyright 1991, V-NET,  All rights reserved.
;A             ==================================================
;A
;A
;A  NOTICE  This compilation is the property of V-NET as its created work.
;A  This work includes certain individual portions provided to V-NET by
;A  operators of Bulletin Boards.  V-NET reserves and has the right to
;A  create and distribute these Nodelists based, in part, on rights granted
;A  to it by those originating such portions.  Other than the rights granted
;A  V-NET, those creating and maintaining the portions retain all residual
;A  rights in and to each's individual portion.
;A
;A  V-NET grants unlimited duplication and/or distribution rights for
;A  noncommercial purposes only and reserves all other rights, including,
;A  but not limited to, any commercial use of any kind.  Any distribution
;A  authorized herein may include recovery of reasonable, actual costs of
;A  duplication and/or dissemination.
;A
;A  No one is granted any right to any use, sale, duplication or distribution
;A  of this compilation for any commercial purpose.
;A
;A  This VNETList is released each and every Sunday. 
;A  If you have any additions or changes please send them 
;A  to V-NET Node 45:45/901 as soon as possible.
;S
;S  =========================================================================
;S
;S                         VERVAN'S GAMING NETWORK NEWS
;S
;S  1/27/91
;S  
;S  The VNET nodelist is designed to identify all systems that carry at least
;S  one VNET echo available to their users. We hope that this nodelist will
;S  be useful for those wishing to locate a system that carries VNET echos.
;S  If you know of a BBS that carries VNET echos and is not listed here,
;S  please contact Membership Services at 45:45/901. Please note that all
;S  systems listed here operate or are able to operate according to FTSC
;S  standards. If this does not meet your needs, please contact the VNET 
;S  Zone Coordinator or Membership Services.
;S  The current VNET Newsletter, which contains all the information you
;S  will need to know about VNET (echo listing, policy, et. al.) can be 
;S  file-requested from 45:45/0, 45:45/1, or 45:45/901 as ECHOVNET.
;S
;S  Joel Veeneman, V-Net Membership Co-Ordinator
;S  45:45/901
;S
;S  =========================================================================
;S
;
Zone,45,V-NET_Echo_Coordinator,Indio_CA,Ron_Lahti,1-619-347-0353,9600,XX,CM,HST,V42
,1,V-NET_Zone_Echomail_Co-Ordinator,Caldwell_NJ,Ralph_Merritt,1-201-228-4589,9600,XX,CM,HST,MO
,6,MACLIST_Gateway,Caldwell_NJ,Ralph_Merritt,1-201-228-4708,9600,XW,CM,HST
,7,AlterNet_Gateway,Lyndhurst_NJ,Phil_Buonomo,1-201-935-7968,9600,CM,XP,HST,V32,ISA:1711
,8,Intelec_Gateway,Wentzville_MO,Joe_Crosby,1-314-327-7126,9600,CM,XA,HST
,9,PhoenixNet_Gateway,San_Diego_CA,David_Nolan,1-619-695-3011,9600,CM,XX,HST
,26,SigNet_Gateway,Hurricane_WV,Derek_Rogillio,1-304-757-7772,9600,CM,V32,HST
,900,V-Net_Administrator_At_Large,San_Diego_CA,David_Nolan,1-619-695-3011,9600,XX,CM,HST
,901,V-Net_Membership_Coordinator,Burlington_IL,Joel_Veeneman,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST,V42
,902,V-Net_Policy_Coordinator,Diamond_Bar_CA,Chris_King,1-714-860-3213,2400,CM
,903,V-Net_Gate_Administrator,Wentzville_MO,Joe_Crosby,1-314-327-7126,9600,CM,XA,HST
,904,V-Net_Gaming_Coordinator,Salem_OR,Nancy_Feldman,1-503-370-9739,2400,XX,CM,MO
;
Region,350,RC_Northwest_(AK_ID_OR_WA),Indio_CA,Ron_Lahti,1-619-347-0353,9600,HST,CM,XX,V42
;
Host,500,Alaska_VNET,Anytown_AK,Sysop_At_Large,1-619-347-0353,9600,XX,CM,HST,V42
;
Host,501,Idaho_VNET,Boise_ID,Edward_Boston,1-208-939-6498,2400,XA,CM
,101,Phantasia_BBS,Boise_ID,Edward_Boston,1-208-939-6498,2400,XA,CM
;
Host,502,Oregon_VNET,Salem_OR,Nancy_Feldman,1-503-370-9739,2400,XX,CM,MO
,101,The_GameMasters,Salem_OR,Nancy_Feldman,1-503-370-9739,2400,CM,XX,MO
,102,C.R.'s_Place,North_Bend_OR,Richard_Welty,1-503-267-4859,2400,XX,MO
;
Host,503,Washington_State_VNET,Anytown_WA,Sysop_at_Large,1-619-347-0353,9600,CM,XX,HST,V42
,102,Twilight_Zone_BBS,Auburn_WA,Douglas_Fifield,1-206-839-3537,2400,CM,XA
,103,Imagination_Station_][,Seattle_WA,Scot_Kelly,1-206-526-8708,2400,CM,XA
,104,Files_Depot,Kent_WA,Chad_Hoffman,1-206-631-6185,9600,CM,XA,V32
Pvt,105,The_Sages_Guild,Bellevue_WA,Tom_Hazel,-Unpublished-,9600,CM,XA,HST
,107,The_Doctors_In!,Federal-Way_WA,Duane_Mattson,1-206-838-6727,9600,XA,CM,HST,V32,V42
;
Region,351,RC_Far_West_(CA_HI),San_Diego_CA,David_Nolan,1-619-695-3011,9600,CM,XX,HST
;
Host,510,Northern_CA_VNET,San_Leandro_CA,Cheryl_Mathison,1-415-481-2806,2400,CM,XA
,69,Yellow_Submarine,San_Leandro_CA,Cheryl_Mathison,1-415-481-2806,2400,CM,XA
,101,Shadowfox/Furverts!_3,Oakland_CA,Patrick_Swift,1-415-452-3551,2400,XX,CM
;
Host,511,Southern_CA_VNET,Indio_CA,Ron_Lahti,1-619-342-9806,9600,XX,CM,HST,V42
,101,The_Hawk's_Nest,Indio_CA,Ron_Lahti,1-619-342-9806,9600,XX,CM,HST,V42
,102,The_T&L_BBS,Indio_CA,Tom_Alford,1-619-342-1647,2400,XA,CM
,103,The_Great_Escape,Indio_CA,Ed_Ohlson,1-619-775-3930,9600,XA,CM,HST,V42
,104,Kevin's_Karousel,Palm_Desert_CA,Kevin_Blaisdell,1-619-345-7248,2400,XA
,106,Daniel_&_Company_BBS,Palm_Desert_CA,Daniel_Miller,1-619-568-6447,2400,XA,CM
,107,Miller_Time_BBS,Cathedral_City_CA,John_Miller,1-619-321-2058,2400,XA,CM
,108,The_Mentality,Cathedral_City_CA,Bryan_Stohl,1-619-324-6894,2400,XA,CM
;
Host,512,Orange_County_VNET,Yorba_Linda_CA,Mike_Bandoian,1-714-996-0805,9600,XA,CM,HST
,101,The_Archivist's_Scroll,Yorba_Linda_CA,Mike_Bandoian,1-714-996-0805,9600,XA,CM,HST
,102,Castle_of_the_4_Winds_BBS,Diamond_Bar_CA,Chris_King,1-714-860-3213,2400,CM
,104,The_Cloak_of_Illusion,Fullerton_CA,David_Steever,1-714-871-0897,9600,CM,HST
Hub,300,The_Cloak_of_Illusion,Fullerton_CA,David_Steever,1-714-871-0897,9600,CM,HST
,302,The_Castle_Ethaire,Stanton_CA,Mark_Cleveland,1-714-636-3982,9600,CM,XA,V42
,303,12_&_12_Anonymous_BBS,Garden_Grove_CA,Joe_Jared,1-714-539-8644,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,513,San_Diego_VNET,San_Diego_CA,David_Nolan,1-619-695-3011,9600,CM,XX,HST
,101,Adventure_Games_of_America,San_Diego_CA,David_Nolan,1-619-695-3011,9600,XX,CM,HST
,102,StarBase_23_BBS,San_Diego_CA,Mike_Nielsen,1-619-560-2996,9600,XA,CM,HST
,103,Adventures_In_Palancia,Point_Loma_CA,John_Sanchez,1-619-222-1785,2400,CM,XA
,104,Pea's_Keep,San_Diego_CA,Jim_Pea,1-619-291-6746,9600,CM,XR,HST
,105,Raven's_Roost,San_Diego_CA,Scot_Washam,1-619-296-6890,2400,XX,MO
Hub,200,The_Otter_Limits,Westminster_CA,Darren_Hanson,1-714-531-6802,2400,MO,XX
,201,The_Otter_Limits,Westminster_CA,Darren_Hanson,1-714-531-6802,2400,MO,XX
,202,The_Tiger's_Den,Garden_Grove_CA,Shane_Raney,1-714-530-2554,2400,XR,CM
,203,PC_Sewer,Anaheim_CA,Robert_Bardon,1-714-533-1452,1200,XX
,204,The_Otter's_Holt,Ontario_CA,Jerry_Case,1-714-986-1525,9600,XA,CM,HST,V32
Hub,300,Central_City_Hub,San_Diego_CA,Al_Cooper,1-619-583-1626,9600,XX,CM,HST
,301,The_Computer_Room,San_Diego_CA,Al_Cooper,1-619-583-1626,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,514,LA_Area_VNET,Santa_Barbara_CA,Scott_Swaine,1-805-683-0499,9600,HST,V32,XX
,101,Console_Command_Headquarters,Santa_Barbara_CA,Scott_Swaine,1-805-683-0499,9600,HST,V32,XX
,102,The_Back_Door_BBS,Orcutt_CA,Peter_Koch,1-805-937-6205,9600,CM,XA,HST
;
Host,515,Hawaii_VNET,Anytown_HI,Sysop_At_Large,1-619-695-3011,9600,XA,CM,HST
;
Region,352,RC_Southwest_(NV_AZ_CO_NM_UT),Sparks_NV,Ken_Johnson,1-702-358-7233,9600,XA,CM,HST,V42
;
Host,520,Nevada_VNET,Sparks_NV,Ken_Johnson,1-702-358-7233,9600,XA,CM,HST,V42
,101,The_Danger_Zone,Sparks_NV,Ken_Johnson,1-702-358-7233,9600,XA,CM,HST,V42
,102,The_No_Name_BBS,Reno_NV,Chris_Ramstad,1-702-345-0689,9600,XA,CM,HST
,103,Depeche_BBS,Sparks_NV,Jerry_Walters,1-702-674-2816,2400,XA,CM
;
Host,521,Arizona_VNET,Mesa_AZ,Jason_Harper,1-602-985-1861,2400,XA,CM
,101,The_Lion's_Den,Mesa_AZ,Jason_Harper,1-602-985-1861,2400,XA,CM
,102,Kitty's_Sandbox_BBS,Tempe_AZ,Kathleen_McDonald-Neal,1-602-829-7522,2400,XX,CM
,103,Quick_Dog_BBS,Tempe_AZ,Russell_Neal,1-602-862-1012,2400,XX
;
Host,522,Colorado_VNET,Anytown_CO,Sysop_At_Large,1-702-358-7233,9600,XA,CM,HST
;
Host,523,New_Mexico_VNET,Anytown_NM,Sysop_At_Large,1-619-358-7233,9600,XA,CM,HST
;
Host,524,Utah_VNET,Anytown_UT,Sysop_At_Large,1-619-358-7233,9600,XA,CM,HST
;
Region,353,RC_Great_Plains_(ND_SD_NE_MT_WY),Burlington_IL,Joel_Veeneman,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST,V42
;
Host,530,North_Dakota_VNET,Anytown_ND,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,531,South_Dakota_VNET,Anytown_SD,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,532,Nebraska_VNET,Anytown_NE,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,533,Montana_VNET,Anytown_MT,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,534,Wyoming_VNET,Anytown_WY,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Region,354,RC_South_(OK_TX_KS_AR_LA),College_Station_TX,Danny_James,1-409-846-4480,9600,XA,CM,HST
;
Host,541,Oklahoma_VNET,Tulsa_OK,Scott_Carr,1-918-495-1341,2400,CM,XP
,102,Lightspeed_BBS,Tulsa_OK,Scott_Carr,1-918-495-1341,2400,CM,XP
,103,Aztec_BBS,Ponca_City_OK,Sean_Cavanaugh,1-405-765-0167,9600,CM,XX,HST
,104,The_C-Shore_BBS,Tulsa_OK,Charles_McKnight,1-918-834-7402,2400,CM,XA
,105,The_Demon's_Guild,Tulsa_OK,Terry_Marrs,1-918-445-0454,2400,CM,XX
,106,Future_City,Tulsa_OK,Josh_McCormick,1-918-622-1121,2400,CM,XX
;
Host,542,Northern_Texas_VNET,College_Station_TX,Danny_James,1-409-846-4480,9600,XA,CM,HST
,101,STARFLEET_PCBoard,College_Station_TX,Danny_James,1-409-846-4480,9600,XA,CM,HST
,102,The_Troll's_Lair,Bryan_TX,Katherine_Kelly,1-409-823-7793,2400,XW,CM
,103,The_Wyrm's_Byte_BBS,College_Station_TX,John_Bowlin,1-409-823-2245,2400,XW,CM
,104,The_Terminator!!!,College_Station_TX,Mike_Easterling,1-409-693-9820,2400,CM
,105,The_Skool_Bored,College_Station_TX,William_Milberger,1-409-696-3991,2400,CM
Hub,200,Camelot,Dallas_TX,Jim_Stanford,1-214-339-8283,2400,CM
,201,Camelot,Dallas_TX,Jim_Stanford,1-214-339-8283,2400,CM
,202,The_Science_Fiction_Fans_BBS,Fort_Worth_TX,William_Christmas,1-817-651-1406,2400,CM,XW
;
Host,543,Southern_Texas_VNET,Anytown_TX,Sysop_At_Large,1-409-846-4480,9600,XX,CM,HST
,101,CONCH_OPUS,Houston_TX,Scott_Royall,1-713-667-7213,9600,CM
;
Host,544,Kansas_VNET,Anytown_KS,Sysop_At_Large,1-409-846-4480,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,545,Arkansas_VNET,Anytown_AR,Sysop_At_Large,1-409-846-4480,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,546,Louisiana_VNET,Anytown_LA,Sysop_At_Large,1-409-846-4480,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Region,355,RC_Midwest_(IL_IN_WI_IA_MN_MO),Burlington_IL,Joel_Veeneman,1-708-683-2390,9600,CM,XX,HST,V42
;
Host,550,Illinois_VNET,Burlington_IL,Joel_Veeneman,1-708-683-2390,9600,CM,XX,HST,V42
,101,The_Red_Star,Burlington_IL,Joel_Veeneman,1-708-683-2390,9600,CM,XX,HST,V42
,102,INFO_QUEST_RBBS,Carbondale_IL,Chuck_Strouz,1-618-529-3724,9600,CM,HST,XA
,103,Slobber_Lips_Haven,Lombard_IL,Jerry_Ablan,1-708-620-8244,9600,CM,XA,HST
;
Host,551,Indiana_VNET,Anytown_IN,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,552,Wisconsin_VNET,Milwaukee_WI,John_Richardson,1-414-796-8408,2400,CM
,101,Top_Gun_][,Milwaukee_WI,John_Richardson,1-414-796-8408,2400,CM
;
Host,553,Iowa_VNET,Anytown_IA,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,554,Minnesota_VNET,Anytown_MN,Sysop_At_Large,1-708-683-2390,9600,XX,CM,HST
,101,The_North_Castle_BBS,Rochester_MN,Robert_Richter,1-507-281-8292,9600,XA,CM,HST
;
Host,555,Missouri_VNET,Wentzville_MO,Joe_Crosby,1-314-327-7126,9600,XA,CM,HST
,101,Knights_Of_The_Square_Table,Wentzville_MO,Joe_Crosby,1-314-327-7126,9600,XA,CM,HST
Hub,200,St_Louis_HUB,St._Louis_MO,Chelsea_Carlstedt,1-314-349-5344,9600,XX,CM,HST,V32
,201,Cheswick's_RBBS,St._Louis_MO,Chelsea_Carlstedt,1-314-349-5344,9600,XX,CM,HST,V32
,202,B.S._Box_BBS,Creve_Coeur_MO,Todd_Graham,1-314-434-3470,9600,HST,CM,XX
,203,The_Banana_Republic,Chesterfield_MO,Mike_Bateman,1-314-537-9238,9600,CM,HST,XX
,204,VELO_BBS,St._Louis_MO,John_Crandall,1-314-225-1693,2400,XA,CM
,205,Modem_Madness_Rehab_Center,Fenton_MO,Allen_Sandifer,1-314-343-7936,9600,XX,CM,HST,V32
;
Region,356,RC_Dixie_(FL_GA_AL_MS_TN_SC_NC),Franklin_TN,John_Marlett,1-615-790-6038,9600,CM,XX,HST,V42
;
Host,561,Georgia_VNET,Anytown_GA,SysOp_AT_Large,1-615-790-6038,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,562,Alabama_VNET,Anytown_AL,Sysop_At_Large,1-615-790-6038,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,563,Mississippi_VNET,Anytown_MS,Sysop_At_Large,1-615-790-6038,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,564,Tennessee_VNET,Mt_Juliet_TN,Roy_Odum,1-615-885-0695,2400,XA,CM
,101,Computer_Concepts,Franklin_TN,John_Marlett,1-615-790-6038,9600,CM,HST,XX,V42,MNP
,102,Genesis_BBS,BrentWood_TN,Jason_Bennett,1-615-377-3419,9600,CM,XX,HST,V42,MNP
,103,The_Music_Scene,Nashville_TN,John_Meeks,1-615-832-1874,2400,CM,MO,XX
,104,Nascom_II,Mt_Juliet_TN,Roy_Odum,1-615-885-0695,2400,XA,CM
,105,Dandy_Line_BBS,Nashville_TN,Barry_Cassetty,1-615-227-1768,2400,XX,CM
;
Host,565,South_Carolina_VNET,Anytown_SC,Sysop_At_Large,1-619-790-6038,9600,XX,CM,HST
;
Host,566,North_Carolina_VNET,Anytown_NC,Sysop_At_Large,1-619-790-6038,9600,XX,M,HST
;
Region,357,RC_Mideastern_(WV_MI_OH_KY),Hurricane_WV,Derek_Rogillio,1-304-757-7772,9600,CM,HST,V32
;
Host,570,West_Virginia_VNET,Hurricane_WV,Derek_Rogillio,1-304-757-7772,9600,CM,HST,V32
,101,CYBER-9_Systems_][,Hurricane_WV,Derek_Rogillio,1-304-757-7772,9600,CM,HST,V32
;
Host,571,Michigan_VNET,Anytown_MI,Sysop_At_Large,1-304-757-7772,9600,XX,CM,HST,V32
;
Host,572,Northern_Ohio_VNET,Anytown_OH,Sysop_At_Large,1-304-757-7772,9600,XX,CM,HST,V32
;
Host,573,Southern_Ohio_VNET,Anytown_OH,Sysop_At_Large,1-304-757-7772,9600,XX,CM,HST,V32
,101,Faneuil_Hall,Gahanna_OH,Jim_Vaughan,1-614-476-3351,2400,XX
;
Host,574,Kentucky_VNET,Anytown_KY,Sysop_At_Large,1-304-757-7772,9600,XX,CM,HST,V32
;
Region,358,RC_East_(NJ_NY_DC/MD_VA_DE_PA),Caldwell_NJ,Ralph_Merritt,1-201-228-4589,9600,CM,HST,MO,XX
;
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- - - -------------- ----- -----------------------------------------------
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! BATTLE_TECH    [WAR] Battle Tech                    John Bowlin
  BLOODSTONE     [RPG] AD&D Edition 2 Campaign        Karsten Liegmann
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  ISC            [WAR] Imperial Space Command         Ron Lahti
  MORROW         [RPG] Morrow Project RPG             Michael Brunk
  OOII           [IND] Operation Overkill II          Tom Hazel
  OTHER_CASTLES  [RPG] Other Suns Module              Darren Hanson
+ PAINTBALL      [IND] Paintball Players Forum        David Nolan
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x RINGS_OF_ZILFA [RPG] Rings of Zilfa RPG             ** DELETED **
  SF-BATTLES     [WAR] Star Fleet Battles             George Crain
  SHADOWRUN      [RPG] Shadowrun                      Nancy Feldman
  TIME           [RPG] AD&D - Once Upon A Time RPG    Terry Steckowich
  TMNT           [RPG] Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles   = GM wanted
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  TRIAD          [RPG] AD&D Edition 2 variant RPG     Wayne Shaw
! TWIL_2000      [RPG] Twilight 2000 RPG              Andrew Brewer
  VNET_ADMIN     [RES] VNET Administration            Ron Lahti
x V_ANNOC        [RPG] Treasures of Annoc RPG         Jim Vaughn
+ V_BEYOND       [RPG] Beyond the Supernatural RPG    Will Owen
+ V_BOARD        [GEN] Boardgames Discussions         Nancy Feldman
+ V_CHESS        [WAR] Play-by-Mail Chess             Joel Veeneman
+ V_CYBER        [RPG] GURPS Adventure in Dark Future Neal Feldman
+ V_DAWN         [RPG]                                Mark Cleveland
+ V_DECKER       [RPG] TransLight Connection RPG      Mike Parkin
+ V_FRINGE       [RPG] Dimensional Travel RPG         Nancy Feldman
  V_GAMECOCK     [RPG] AD&D Beginner's Game (1st Ed.) David Nolan
  V_GAMER        [GEN] General Forum for RPG's        Nancy Feldman
+ V_GM           [GEN] DM Discussion Forum            N. & N. Feldman
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 (1) You can 'create' a new conference where you can run the game of
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     sponsor your game. Usually, you will need to create some text
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     agree to sponsor your game. For more information, please contact
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Archive-Message-Number: 2212
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 91 17:05 EDT
From: METLAY@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Subject: The big, Big, BIG picture


Just for grins, I took some time this weekend and drew up a map of the
known Universe as known in the Traveller mythos, using sector names
scrawled in tiny print on a sheet of graph paper, one sector per square
centimeter. It was a big damn map, y'know that? Between the veiled hints
we've gotten in the Zhodani, Aslan, Hiver and K'Kree Alien Books, to say
nothing of the Vargr map that was recently expanded upon in the DGP
Dullboys'n'Doggies thicky, there is a chart of space approximately 18
by 11 sectors in a rough rectangle, spilling off the edges of the famous
GDW promo poster showing The Whole Shmear, as it were. Impressive. What's
also impressive are the incredible, aggravating HOLES in this map-- I 
rated each sector on a scale of 0 to 3:

0-- nothing known, other than a sector name (e.g. RimReach or Gmbiir!!k)
1-- Star Map published in the Atlas of the Imperium, no other data out
2-- Sector data available, pre-Imperial (i.e. the GEnie archives)
3-- Current data available (via GDW for Hinterworlds, Spinward; DGP for others)

The resulting map is patchy as hell. We have "good" data for the Hinterworlds,
courtesy Challenge magazine; the Spinward Marches, courtesy the MT rules; and
Massilia, whoops, also courtesy GDW via "Knightfall." We also have DGP maps
for Trojan Reach, Riftspan reaches, Reft, Verge (I think), Corridor, and
Deneb. The rest of the IMperium relies on the GEnie archives, not including
the tiny bits of Lishun and Zarushagar and Windhorn that have been published
in various adventures and the Vland sector in the DnD book. Note, though, that
while Ealisiyiw in the Aslan Hierate is modern and we at least have an old
map for Gvurrdon (the Vargr book), there are FIVE SECTORS in the Imperium
and surrounds for which there is no available data at all: Ilelish, Zarushagar,
Dark Nebula, Reaver's Deep and Magyar. This is inexcusable!

So, open question for you completists and archive raiders out there: anyone
know where I can get extant official data for any of the sectors not listed
above? And would anyone like to see a schematic view of the BIG BIG picture
here in the TML? Thrills! Excitement! Learn to answer burning questions like
"What do the Zhodani call the Spinward Marches?" (answer: Tloql) and "How
many official names does the Windhorn have?" (answer: at least three--
Galanglic, old Vilani, and Gvegh-Aek) And so on....

Your ramblin' kinda historian kinda guy, 

metlay				|  "It is not easy to get a Prophet T8 to
				|  'shimmer.' One tends to get shimmering
METLAY@PITTVMS.BITNET           |  *BLAAAAAAT*."
metlay@vms.cis.pitt.EDU		| 				       zrgynl


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Archive-Message-Number: 2213
From: Mark F. Cook <markc@hpcvss.cv.hp.COM>
Subject: Say "Good-bye" to TDR SIGs
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 91 12:36:23 PST

After a fair amount of deliberation, TDR administration has decided that,
due to an overwhelming lack of traffic, the TDR SIG Mail Lists will be
shut down and all TDR discussion will be merged back into the regular
TML forum.

Does this mean TDR is dead?  Absolutely not!!  What it means is that the
splintering effect generated as a result of the establishing seperate
channels for developing TDR will be eliminated.  Everyone who is a TML
member will be able to follow (and participate in) the discussions
involving the development of TDR.  "Traveller Done Right" is still a
going concern, and Metlay and I will make sure that any and all reasonable
suggestions for modification and enhancement of existing MT rules will
be rolled into TDR as it evolves.  The archive for TDR will be maintained
as well.  Anyone will be able to submit complete rulesets to the archivist
(me) for review and distribution.  TDR now has it's own directory on Sunbane,
for those of you able to access the TML archives.  We will be placing all
reviewed TDR rule submissions in that directory, after they've been evaluated.

So, the TDR SIGs will be accepting mail until midnight, Friday, March 15th,
after which time they will shut off for good, except for the TDR Admin mail
address (tdr_admin@hpcvss.cv.hp.com) which will remain activated for the
forseeable future.  We would also like to thank Burt Choinski, Dan Corrin,
Paul Dale, Rob Dean, Iain Fogg, Matthew Harelick, Tony Hayes, George William
Herbert, Adrian Hurt, Bertil Jonell, Bill Morrison, Rob Poole, Mark Power,
and Eric Sergienko for their heavy participation and for their excellent
input in the areas of combat, medicine, physics, and vehicles.  I'm sure that
most, if not all, the new proposals will ultimately find their way into the
first full release of TDR (whenever that may be :-)).

One last thing.  We would like to have a set of submission reviewers for
rules submitted to TDR, specifically in the areas of combat, physics,
vehicles, and medicine.  We would prefer reviewers to have some background
in the area they volunteer to review (i.e. combat reviewers should have
a fair background in military weapons, ballistics, and some physics).  I
already have plans for some TML readers to be reviewers, even though they
don't know it yet.:-)  If you'd like to be a TDR reviewer, please send a
letter to the tdr_admin address (shown above) telling us what areas you'd
like to review and what qualifications you have to review those areas.
Then we'll sort out who does what.

Thanks again and remember, the SIGs may be dead but TDR is definitely not.
Keep those ideas and suggestions rolling in!  Don't let the concept die.

Later,

	- Mark F. Cook (TDR Archivist)

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Archive-Message-Number: 2214
From: Adrian Hurt <adrian@cs.heriot-watt.ac.uk>
Subject: Wanted: Striker, MegaTraveller
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 91 15:42:21 GMT

I have received a request for "Striker", the rules for combat with
miniatures based on Olde Traveller.  Before I do anything about this
request, I would like to ask a few questions.

1.  Is "Striker" still available from GDW?
2.  If so, can it be bought from them by mail-order?
3.  If not, is it still illegal for me to photocopy the game, or
    parts of it, and send them to the person who requested it?
4.  Anyone want to part with an old set?

- - -- 
 "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott

 Adrian Hurt			     |	JANET:  adrian@uk.ac.hw.cs
 UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!adrian     |  ARPA:   adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk

------------------------------

Archive-Message-Number: 2215
From: Mark Humphreys <cs89mmh@cct.brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: mailing list
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 91 17:48:14 BST

Hi there,

I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly, but I would like very much 
to join your TRAVELLER mailing list.

mark humphreys (cs89mmh@cct.brunel.ac.uk)

Department of Computer Science, Brunel, The University of West London,
Uxbridge, MIDDLESEX, Unitied Kingdom


------------------------------

Archive-Message-Number: 2216
From: Mark F. Cook <markc@hpcvss.cv.hp.COM>
Subject: Assorted Ramblings
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 0:22:17 PST

In subject 2212, METLAY writes:

> So, open question for you completists and archive raiders out there: anyone
> know where I can get extant official data for any of the sectors not listed
> above? And would anyone like to see a schematic view of the BIG BIG picture
> here in the TML? Thrills! Excitement! Learn to answer burning questions like
> "What do the Zhodani call the Spinward Marches?" (answer: Tloql) and "How
> many official names does the Windhorn have?" (answer: at least three--
> Galanglic, old Vilani, and Gvegh-Aek) And so on....

Hmmm, I guess, when I sent you the sector UWP listings, I should have told
you about the OTHER file I have.  GDW indexes the sectors on a standard
cartesian coordinate system with Core sector at [0,0], i.e.:

                            +Y
                   --|-----|-----|-----|--
                     |-1,+1|     |+1,+1|
                   --|-----|-----|-----|--
                 -X  |     |Core |     |  +X
                   --|-----|-----|-----|--
                     |-1,-1|     |+1,-1|
                   --|-----|-----|-----|--
                            -Y

and I have sector names for all the sectors from [-9,5] to [8,-6], with
subsector names for the majority, and multiple names (Zhodani, Vargr,
Aslan, Imperial, K'Kree, Hiver) in many cases.  Interested?

...and in subject 2214, Adrian Hurt writes:

> I have received a request for "Striker", the rules for combat with
> miniatures based on Olde Traveller.  Before I do anything about this
> request, I would like to ask a few questions.
> 
> 1.  Is "Striker" still available from GDW?

Nope.  Not for a long, long time.

> 2.  If so, can it be bought from them by mail-order?

Nope.  See answer #1.

> 3.  If not, is it still illegal for me to photocopy the game, or
>     parts of it, and send them to the person who requested it?

Yes, but that's never stopped me. :-)

> 4.  Anyone want to part with an old set?

Not on your life.  However ("Aha," he says, "There really IS a point to
this drivel after all!"), I can tell where you can get mint, reasonably
priced copies of Striker (Original publications; not reprints).  This
is my semi-regular plug for the Weekend Warrior.

The Weekend Warrior is a mail-order only shop in N. Hollywood, California
which carries the completest selection of out-of-print GDW products of
any store on the planet (Earth, that is).  They also carry quite a few
in-print products for GDW and DGP, plus out-of-print and in-print products
from companies such as...

        Ad Technos, Australian Design Group, Avalon-Hill, Bard Games,
        Chaosium, Clash of Arms, Columbia Games, Different Worlds,
        Empire Games, Engelmann Military Simulations, FASA Corp.,
        Game Research, The Gamers Inc., Games Workshop, GHQ, Chester
        E. Hendrix, Hobby Japan, Hero Games, Iron Crown Enterprises
        (ICE), Steve Jackson Games, Leading Edge, Lion Rampart Games,
        Mayfair Games, Nova Game Designs, Omega Games, Palladium Games,
        Ral Partha, Simulations Design Inc., Sho Kikaku, Supremacy
        Games, Tabletop Games, R. Talsorian Games, Task Force, Tactica,
        Thoughts & Images, Timeline, TSR, West End, and World Wide Wargames.

Whew!  BTW, GDW and SPI are so well represented that they each rate their
own separate catalogs.  The GDW catalog that I currently have is an old
one (I gave my newer one to a friend in Norway :-)).  It has Striker listed
as follows:
        Code Year       Title                      Used       New
        ---- ---        -----                      ----       ---
        704  1981  Striker (1st Ed. boxed)        $20.00    $40.00
        704  1984  Striker (2nd Ed. boxed)        $25.00    $50.00
Now I know that sounds spendy, but I bought a new "bagged" 1984 copy of 
Striker (Ziplock; no box) for $20.00 just last summer.  I'm pretty sure
they still carry it.  The only thing you're not getting (as opposed to
the boxed mint 1984 set) is the actual cardboard box and a pair of
six-sided dice.  Hardly worth the extra $30.00, unless you're a die-hard
collector.  To avoid keeping you in suspense and longer, here's the
address and phone number:

        Weekend Warrior
        8116 Van Noord Ave
        N. Hollywood, CA  91605
        (818) 988-1441

They take Cashiers Checks, Personal Checks, and Money Orders (all in
U.S. Currency only), but no credit cards of any kind.  If you're going
to send Cashiers Checks or Money Orders, you can call ahead and they'll
hold items for you (for up to 10 days, I think).

One more thing: they also carry back issues of a number of gaming magazines.
These include Traveller's Digest, Challenge, and (hold your breath) the
*original* JTAS!!  Be advised, issue #1 (Annic Nova) goes for $60.00 in
mint condition.

I am in no way connected with the Weekend Warrior, other than being
a VERY satisfied customer.

...and finally, in subject 2215, Mark Humphreys writes:

> Hi there,
> 
> I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly, but I would like very much 
> to join your TRAVELLER mailing list.
> 
> mark humphreys (cs89mmh@cct.brunel.ac.uk)
> 
> Department of Computer Science, Brunel, The University of West London,
> Uxbridge, MIDDLESEX, Unitied Kingdom
                       ^^^^^^^
...the "UN-TIED" Kingdom!?!  And here I thought the sun was never supposed
to set on the British Empire.  Adrian, better straighten this fellow out. :-)
(Sorry.  Cheap, shallow American humor.  You have to make allowances for us
younger countries.  Give us a few more centuries. :-))

Later,

        [The scene is Muuir City, Urnas (0609 Pretoria/Deneb), in the
         employee lunchroom of Muuir Packet Express (sorta like Fed-Ex).
         Rikainne and Turin are questioning a delivery-van driver in
         connection with a string of city-wide terrorist incidents:]

         Rikainne: "We'd like you to come back to LSP admin, so we can
          ask you a few more questions.  Your cooperation would really
          be appreciated."

         Turin: "Yah...  Take of your pants!"

                        - Paraphrased from last weekend's MT session

        - Mark F. Cook

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Archive-Message-Number: 2217
Date: 12 Mar 91 06:36:35 EST
From: Leonard Erickson <70465.203@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Sector list

I'd love to have that list. I sent out such a list in the early days of
TML. My formmat was something like:

XXYY:nane[|name][|name]
where XX & YY were co-ordinates, using Core as 00 00.
name had code attached in {} to identify *whose* name it was.

I did it that way as I intended to have the file be read by programs as
well as people.

One half of Dark Nebula sector is "sort of" available. GDW had a game
by that name that used a map that bears a striking resemblaance to a
sector map chopped in half! Complete with X-boat routes.

Thhe sort of, is because the map was made by assembling *sub*sector
maps at random. Also, the data doesn't match *at all* even in the
"default" configuration, unless you turn the maps upside down. (yes, 
there is a pattern that "makes sense" for the maps)



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Archive-Message-Number: 2218
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 16:45:25 -0800
From: George William Herbert <gwh@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: TDR RIP? TDR Forever! 8-)


As Mark Cook pointed out, the TDR atrophied from lack of recent mail.  However,
fear not, some of us are still working on various TDR projects (Rob Dean is still
doing vehicles, and I'm helping out in parts; I don't know about the other
teams).  We'll send the TML any new stuff we generate.

- - -george
gwh@ocf.berkeley.edu

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Archive-Message-Number: 2219
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 09:55:19 -0500
From: teets@frith.egr.msu.edu
Subject: Old Gaming Stuff....

     Well, another suggestion for picking up Striker is of course at Cons.  I
picked up my copy (mint, even got the box in mint) after a brief struggle for
around $12.  Actually Striker was bought by a few old wargamers who were 
disappointed (not playing traveller and using it as a stand alone) and sell
them off here.  The good thing is that there usually aren't that many people
as fanatical about traveller as the most of us so you can usually get a good
deal.
     Now what I'm really looking for is theose old FASA deck plans.  Just love
those things.  Didn't they come out with one for a starport too?  Can't really
find these anymore.  Except, last year I went to a con and this guy was 
selling brand new ones from a box underneath his table for $1.50!!!  I just
about picked up the whole box but only got one of each, besides he only had
adventure ship vol I & II, if anyone could help me out as far as finding the
rest at a reasonable price I would aprreciate it.  Well sorry to ramble but
just throwing in my two cents.
    Matt Teets
    teets@egr.msu.edu

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Archive-Message-Number: 2220
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 14:46:50 -0600
From: bonnevil@acc.stolaf.edu
Subject: Re:  The Big BIG Picture....


Yes, it would be interesting to see what people know about Charted Space
in Traveller.  There are so many things about the map that we know little
about; the Lesser Rift area...the Hive Federation...heck, just the sector
spinward of the Marches.

Does anyone have any idea just how far the IISS explorers have gotten?
DGP refers to bases in Sigma Zephyrus and Theta Borealis sectors.  I
can't find Sigma, but Theta is way the heck out on the spinward edge of
the map; Group One used to have a map for it (probably bad now) but I
see they've kept the name.

Still, it's hardly impressive in comparison to the seven great Core
Expeditions of the Zhodani.  According to the Ref's Manual, they've
roughly explored (probably not surveyed!) a corridor some thirty
parsecs wide and SEVEN THOUSAND long toward the galactic core!  Even
assuming that they aren't straying much from a subsector-wide area
near the middle, that's still a corridor about 175 sectors long!!!
I figure that it would take a ship able to Jump 6 parsecs every two
weeks over 44 years to reach the far end, one-way.  No wonder they're
still planning the eighth one...you wouldn't want to leave anything
behind....

Still, it would make for some interesting adventure possibilites for
Zhodani parties.  Besides, who knows what they're going to run into
way out there?  You can't exactly call for reinforcements. :)

- - --Steve

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Archive-Message-Number: 2221
From: rem@oz.plymouth.edu (Bob Mahoney)
Subject: Kinorb^2?, deckplans, elm burster...
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 21:15:48 EST

Hi all!

I've been pretty quiet lately (not at ALL like me, right Brucer?), but the 
fiber optic cable is installed, the local network is running, and we're 
attached to the internet!  And as I come up for air, I have Questions!

1)	Maybe I missed a list-explanation of this, but there are TWO Kinorbs
	on the Spinward Marches map: 2202 and 2512.  What gives?  It's not a
	really *pretty* name...sounds like something your doctor can remove
	easily with local anesthesia.

2)	Now that we're part of the SMART data net, I've been ftpeeing around,
	and I grabbed the deckplans from the sunbane server.  They wouldn't
	print.  I used a VAX and an Ultrix system to send it to an LN03 
	Scriptprinter.  Anyone have any ideas for me?

3)	And in the area of contribuiting, I have made up deckplans for the
	Lady of Shallott class Yacht.  It probably violates many rules and
	conventions, but for the role players it might be ok.  (design freaks
	would probably be displeased)  Anyway, it's done in MacDraw (damn
	cute little machine has been sitting in my office gathering dust:
	thought I'd see how it worked...)

	How do I convert from MacDraw to Postscript, as that seems to be
	a format-of-exchange?

4)	And lastly, now that the UNIX box is on the net, I'm getting TML here.
	A while back, someone posted a digest-burster for elm.  Can anyone
	point me toward it?  I can't seem to find it anywhere.  (My accounts
	look a lot like my desk.  And my car.  And my apartment...)

5)	Got the new MegaTraveller Digest.  It gets the Earl of Margesi seal
	of approval!  Buy this, if only for the map of Deneb.  (but there is
	a lot more.)  Oregon seems to suit DGP.
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Bob Mahoney    Plymouth State College   Computer Services, Plymouth, NH 03264
rem@oz.plymouth.edu           Net Manager Deluxe      bobmah@psc.plymouth.edu

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